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		<title>By: Bogle Petite Sirah</title>
		<link>http://toutvirtual.com/blogs/2009/06/16/learning-to-hate-voip/comment-page-1/#comment-58541</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogle Petite Sirah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  real   delighted  to find this  internet site on bing, just what I was searching  for : D also   bookmarked .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  real   delighted  to find this  internet site on bing, just what I was searching  for : D also   bookmarked .</p>
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		<title>By: Money Business :</title>
		<link>http://toutvirtual.com/blogs/2009/06/16/learning-to-hate-voip/comment-page-1/#comment-39997</link>
		<dc:creator>Money Business :</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VOIP is very good specially if you have lots of voice and data traffic that are to be sent simultaneously-&#039;:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VOIP is very good specially if you have lots of voice and data traffic that are to be sent simultaneously-&#8217;:</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Wright</title>
		<link>http://toutvirtual.com/blogs/2009/06/16/learning-to-hate-voip/comment-page-1/#comment-39484</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VOIP is one of the best technologies that we enjoy today and it is very very useful in call centers&quot;~&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VOIP is one of the best technologies that we enjoy today and it is very very useful in call centers&#8221;~&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Schorschi</title>
		<link>http://toutvirtual.com/blogs/2009/06/16/learning-to-hate-voip/comment-page-1/#comment-29446</link>
		<dc:creator>Schorschi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your welcome, I really do prefer that people agree and more importantly disagree stating their perspective, and you have done that, thanks.  It makes for a robust and deep review of ideas, always a good thing.  That said, I have three points I would like to make in response to your comment.  1) I see a hidden impact to cloud computing.  There is a tendency to make each node in the cloud simplistic, stateless, etc.  This is not a bad thing per se, but when you have an end-user community that expects no impact, and cloud computing does not guarantee an impact free experience, by definition, there is a problem inherit in the system, robust applications, HA, DRS, etc. reduce the impact, as would VM FT, but not remove it from the platform of the cloud.  2) Yes, there are some rather big thinkers betting on cloud computing.  But nothing is without compromise.  As organizations reduce internal staff and leverage more resources external to their respective direct control, they lose knowledge and experience, this growing gap multiples the impacts when they occur.  This is a negative to out-sourcing, that is often ignored as an intangible until, the scale and scope failure is often more significant than expected, sometimes months or years later.  3) I discount the smart money principle, from two perspectives, first, if you look at the historical aspect of venture capital, the losses far out way the profits for most.  So the smart money is not that smart from a statistical predictive analysis basis.  Second, there is also a concept that states…   The obvious answer is often the correct answer.  In the case of cloud computing, what is being done is not new, or radical, in fact, given the success of the SETI project and a few others as proof of concept models for cloud based solutions, if not floating datacenters, not to mention Google POD concept, cloud computing has been around for more than 15 years, but management of the cloud has been lacking, in a distributed server context.  Life-Cycle applications where the key stone aligned with virtualization as a foundation block to get cloud computing off the ground, so to speak, pun not intended.  So is it smart money, or just a jig-saw puzzle that has been missing a few critical pieces, that we found under the rug, or behind a book shelf?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your welcome, I really do prefer that people agree and more importantly disagree stating their perspective, and you have done that, thanks.  It makes for a robust and deep review of ideas, always a good thing.  That said, I have three points I would like to make in response to your comment.  1) I see a hidden impact to cloud computing.  There is a tendency to make each node in the cloud simplistic, stateless, etc.  This is not a bad thing per se, but when you have an end-user community that expects no impact, and cloud computing does not guarantee an impact free experience, by definition, there is a problem inherit in the system, robust applications, HA, DRS, etc. reduce the impact, as would VM FT, but not remove it from the platform of the cloud.  2) Yes, there are some rather big thinkers betting on cloud computing.  But nothing is without compromise.  As organizations reduce internal staff and leverage more resources external to their respective direct control, they lose knowledge and experience, this growing gap multiples the impacts when they occur.  This is a negative to out-sourcing, that is often ignored as an intangible until, the scale and scope failure is often more significant than expected, sometimes months or years later.  3) I discount the smart money principle, from two perspectives, first, if you look at the historical aspect of venture capital, the losses far out way the profits for most.  So the smart money is not that smart from a statistical predictive analysis basis.  Second, there is also a concept that states…   The obvious answer is often the correct answer.  In the case of cloud computing, what is being done is not new, or radical, in fact, given the success of the SETI project and a few others as proof of concept models for cloud based solutions, if not floating datacenters, not to mention Google POD concept, cloud computing has been around for more than 15 years, but management of the cloud has been lacking, in a distributed server context.  Life-Cycle applications where the key stone aligned with virtualization as a foundation block to get cloud computing off the ground, so to speak, pun not intended.  So is it smart money, or just a jig-saw puzzle that has been missing a few critical pieces, that we found under the rug, or behind a book shelf?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Garry</title>
		<link>http://toutvirtual.com/blogs/2009/06/16/learning-to-hate-voip/comment-page-1/#comment-29438</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure you prove the case that cloud computing will require accepting less believing that we are getting more...some pretty smart people are behind cloud computing, with some pretty smart money backing them...thanks for the interesting read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure you prove the case that cloud computing will require accepting less believing that we are getting more&#8230;some pretty smart people are behind cloud computing, with some pretty smart money backing them&#8230;thanks for the interesting read!</p>
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